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Traveller-digest     Monday, December 27 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1587<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Re: in jokes<BR>
Re: Re BG<BR>
Re: in jokes<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Universities was Academies<BR>
Re: in jokes <BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy...<BR>
Re: Drawing Program <BR>
RE: High vs Low Automation<BR>
A Buck Rogers timeline<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Santa in the 3rd Imperium?<BR>
Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
Re: Universities was Academies<BR>
Re: in jokes<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
Purina, etc.<BR>
Passengers From Hell<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:59:33 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: in jokes<BR>
<BR>
In mail, traveller@lists.imagiconline.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
> From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
<BR>
> Hah! Never stepped foot West of the Mississippi, and I've always been fond<BR>
> of Emperor Norton I. That one's really good though, I may borrow it ;)<BR>
><BR>
>> Actually, going back into the historian patron thread, a patron asking<BR>
>> for assistance in researching the great Terran Emperor Joshua<BR>
>>Norton I would be an amusing diversion....<BR>
><BR>
> It would be, but all of my players (few of whom who have been West of the<BR>
> Mississippi) already know who he is.<BR>
<BR>
So imagine their shock when they find him listed as a *real* head of<BR>
state, not just a loony who was being humored by all of San Franciso.<BR>
<BR>
"Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore..."<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:06:11 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Re BG<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>>I'd have to say that *does* seem to be in range. If you've ever seen a<BR>
>>model of the Galactica, it's *huge*, (around a meter long), and the<BR>
>>landing bays are only a few mm tall. (if that)<BR>
>><BR>
>>> BTW, what TL is the BSG universe?<BR>
>><BR>
>>What TL are "force fields" that can acts as airlocks and helmet<BR>
>>faceplates?<BR>
><BR>
> Looking at the model I keep near the computer.<BR>
> Length of model of Galactica:  44.5 cm (from box)<BR>
><BR>
> using the ruler on my leatherman for these:<BR>
> Aft bay opening 5mm x 17mm<BR>
> fore bay opening 3.5x12mm<BR>
<BR>
Using the aft bay opening as being 10 meters, gives 890 m as the length.<BR>
Using the *forward opening (and I thiunk the scene I keep picturing had<BR>
the Cylon raider crashing into the *fore* bay) we get about 1500 m. <BR>
<BR>
So I wouldn't rule out the 4 km figure.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:15:33 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: in jokes<BR>
<BR>
>From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
><BR>
>On 12/26/99 at 01:56 PM, Black ICE<BR>
><wombat@premier.net> said:<BR>
>>Here are a couple I'm fond of:<BR>
>>General Norman Schwantzkopf, Imperial Army<BR>
<BR>
>What's the English translation of Schwartzkopf?<BR>
<BR>
schwartz:  black<BR>
Kopf: head<BR>
so "blackhead", probably descriptive of hair color<BR>
<BR>
Schwantz bedeutet etwas Anderes, which I'll leave to<BR>
the TML's native speakers of German.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:17:49 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> Leonard Erickson <shadow@krypton.rain.com> wrote:<BR>
>> > Err, I am behind on much of my reading.  Just what is the<BR>
>> > legal downside of the GIF format?<BR>
>><BR>
>> The fact that unknown to the folks who wrote the standard, the<BR>
>> compression algorithm they used was in the process of being *patented*.<BR>
>> When the patent was granted (*years* after GIF became common), the<BR>
>> patent owner (Unisys) proceeded to deman royalties for using the<BR>
>> algorithm.<BR>
>><BR>
>> These days, they *mostly* ignore viewer programs, because if they annoy<BR>
>> enough authors of *those*, GIF will die thru becoming unviewable in new<BR>
>> programs. But programs that *create* GIFs, they'll nail you good.<BR>
><BR>
> Hmm, let's see.  Now if I recall correctly, if I use a program<BR>
> that uses GIF as an output format, the programmer or<BR>
> publisher are responsible for securing those rights yes?<BR>
> If they don't, I cannot be held responsible for thier failure<BR>
> can I?<BR>
<BR>
Not exactly. But since this is a *patent* we are talking about, the<BR>
patent holder has every right to take the program away from you because<BR>
it's "stolen property".<BR>
<BR>
Of course, if you offer to pay a license fee, they may relent and let<BR>
you keep it.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:20:33 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>> If I write code that implements LZW compression (jn ANY form, not just GIF<BR>
>> image compression) than I need a UNISYS license.<BR>
><BR>
> Not true.  LZW compression itself is public domain, as it was published by<BR>
> the authors ( Liz, Zempel, and WhatsHisName) many years before Unisys took<BR>
> out a patent on one particular form of it.<BR>
<BR>
Under US law, as long as you *file* for the patent within a year of the<BR>
date of publication, your patent is *not* voided by the public<BR>
disclosure.<BR>
<BR>
And if they had published more than a year before filing, anyone who<BR>
pointed that out could get the patent invalidated. Which hasn't happened.<BR>
<BR>
So odds are that they do indeed have a patrent on LZW *in general*.  <BR>
<BR>
> Unfortunately, the form that was used in GIF is the form that is patented by<BR>
> Unisys (What used to be Sperry-Rand)<BR>
><BR>
> For example, one of the PK-Zip formats uses LZW compression without<BR>
> requiring a Unisys license.<BR>
<BR>
Possibly LHA?<BR>
<BR>
> There's no logical reason for GIF to be popular,  it's a crappy  format.<BR>
> (Just as there's no logical reason for IBM PC's and Microsoft operating<BR>
> systems to be popular.)<BR>
><BR>
> I never use it, as jpg is so much better for most pictures.<BR>
<BR>
Not really. Jpeg is usefull for *photos*, and for "continous tone" type<BR>
art. It's *wretched* at anything that *started out* as a bitmap.<BR>
<BR>
> Those that recommend GIF for line drawings miss the point, any line drawing<BR>
> is better rendered using a vector format anyway.<BR>
<BR>
Not really. For one thing, because there is no "common vector format".<BR>
There *certainly* isn't one for web graphics. The only *attempt* at one<BR>
is the folks who have ported RIP (formerly a format for BBS screens) to<BR>
a web browser add-on.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:10:25 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Universities was Academies<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> Daniel Phelps wrote:<BR>
>> <BR>
>> I'm working on a scenario/story set which centers around a very large and<BR>
>> very old asteroid ship which is being converted on a rather low budget to<BR>
>> serve as a sector's travelling university.  It's substantially hollow with<BR>
>> spin providing gravity as they are going with low cost/low tech/low<BR>
>> maintenance solutions where ever possible.  <BR>
><BR>
> I wonder whether spin-gravity would provide the best teaching<BR>
> environment.  For instance, those undergrad physics labs would prove<BR>
> harder to complete with predictable results, since gravity would not be<BR>
> as constant as it is either on a planetary surface or in an artificial<BR>
> gravity environment. <BR>
<BR>
Given that they'd have done the same experiments in high school (at<BR>
least for the 1st year classes), having the results be so different<BR>
would be a teaching *aid*, as it'd drive home several important points<BR>
regarding things like relativity. <BR>
<BR>
And for the precision measurements, you have some "zero g" labs in the<BR>
spin axis. For example, you can use lasers to aid in placing a pair of<BR>
masses at a given seperation along the *exact* spin axis. Then you use<BR>
the lasers to measure the rate of closure. <BR>
<BR>
> Not to mention the difficulties drunken college<BR>
> students would have moving from one level to another, with gravity<BR>
> changing on them....<BR>
<BR>
They'll be puking their guts out *anyway*. This might encourage them to<BR>
either not drink as much, or to be more careful.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:34:43 -0700<BR>
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@ctaz.com><BR>
Subject: Re: in jokes <BR>
<BR>
> At 01:56 PM 12/26/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >The "Monarch" class Imperial battlecruiser _Norton I_ (the Bay Area<BR>
> >folks should recognize this one!)<BR>
> <BR>
> Along with the Willie I, of course!<BR>
> <BR>
> His Imperial Majesty Willie I, Ruler of all lands West of Emeryville to the<BR>
> Farallon Islands, Lord of San Francisco, Protector of Treasure Island,<BR>
> Defender of the Bay Bridge.<BR>
> <BR>
> We actually went out and found Norton's grave last week.. want the pictures?<BR>
<BR>
Definitely.  Just send them off list, OK?<BR>
<BR>
Thanxx.<BR>
<BR>
Keven<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
tc++ tm+ tn+ t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy<BR>
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                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure<BR>
                                                     In Reavers' Deep<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:39:09 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Frank Pitt wrote:<BR>
 <BR>
> Those that recommend GIF for line drawings miss the point, any line drawing<BR>
> is better rendered using a vector format anyway.<BR>
> <BR>
<BR>
Well, yes, a vector format is better for line art, but there simply are<BR>
not any widely used web-usable vector formats, and the _only_ reason the<BR>
.gif is still around as a format is the web.<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:45:59 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy...<BR>
<BR>
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, The Roc wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Was that the one he did in several parts?  I think that is on the CD too?<BR>
> But I still love "The Ballad of Magellan" :^)<BR>
<BR>
<boing! ears pop up> CD, there's a CD of Animaniacs songs? They wouldn't<BR>
have the Pinky and the Brain songs, too (like the 'Brain Anatomy' and<BR>
'Cheeses of the World') !!<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:46:00 -0700<BR>
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@ctaz.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program <BR>
<BR>
> > I'm deliberately starting with command line Linux precisely because<BR>
> > *I* want to know what's going on under the hood.<BR>
> <BR>
> Exactly, which is why you're finding it harder than Windows.<BR>
> But you can't do that _at_all_on Windows because the information isn't<BR>
> available.<BR>
<BR>
Yeah, you *can* get the information.  It takes signing a nondisclosure <BR>
agreement of course, and payment of a licensing fee to Microsoft.  Last I <BR>
heard (circa Win95), it was on the order of 25 or 50K.<BR>
 <BR>
> > RH6.0 installs fairly easily, both on a 486 and P100. And it runs a<BR>
> > *hell* of a lot faster on the P100 than Winblows 2000 (although to be<BR>
> > honest it was an early release candidate).<BR>
> <BR>
> RH6.0 runs faster on a 486DX266 than W2K on a PIII 450Mhz.<BR>
<BR>
Wouldn't know about that.  I don't have W2K *or* a P3-450.<BR>
 <BR>
> > And I won't even get into the Redhat vs SuSe vs<BR>
> > Caldera/gcc vs egcs/libc5 vs glibc/Gnome vs KDE/etc./etc. issues.<BR>
> <BR>
> No reason to do so anyway, that's like arguing  Netscape/IE    or Word/Word<BR>
> Perfect , it's a users choice.<BR>
<BR>
I've got both SuSE & RedHat installed here.  RedHat was the simpler install, <BR>
needing zero CD swaps.  SuSE takes 5 swaps, but it installs a *LOT* of stuff. <BR>
 Took me an hour to go through the list to tell it exactly what I wanted & <BR>
what I *didn't* want.  I just did the standard install with RH.<BR>
 <BR>
ObTrav:  The character's ship has landed at the starport and needs a software upgrade to handle some stuff they are installing.  And of course, the new software needs a totally different operating system than is currently onboard.<BR>
<BR>
<grin><BR>
<BR>
Keven<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
tc++ tm+ tn+ t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:53:33 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: RE: High vs Low Automation<BR>
<BR>
> Why *is*? Because it is<BR>
> *still* the basis of Windows and you will find it buried even in<BR>
> Windows 98 (although better burried in Windows NT).<BR>
<BR>
Well, to be utterly pedantic, no. NT has not a scrap, tittle or jot of DOS<BR>
in it's underpinnings. There _is_ a DOS mode, whihc is a DOS emulator,<BR>
more or less, running under NT, and a command line mode, with many<BR>
commands _like_ DOS, but NT is most emphatically _not_ based on DOS.<BR>
<BR>
It is. in fact, heavily influenced by VMS, as the primary architect of NT<BR>
was the guy who originally designed VMS for DEC.<BR>
<BR>
> Linux - a simplified version of the Unix operating system was built as<BR>
> a college project to make building similar batch files to those in DOS<BR>
> both easier and more powerful.<BR>
<BR>
Again, not quite. Linux was never a 'simplified' Unix. It is, properly<BR>
speaking, a Unix clone written originally by Linus because he was too poor<BR>
to afford what he wanted, which was a copy of Xenix.<BR>
<BR>
It started out having fewer bells and whistles than most Unices, but that<BR>
was simply a matter of time.<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:50:44 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: A Buck Rogers timeline<BR>
<BR>
From: Leonard Erickson <shadow@krypton.rain.com><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Anthony "Buck" Rogers has a timeline that's just *too* different.<BR>
<BR>
Not at all, at least not for the purpose of creating an alternate history,<BR>
you just have to become a Buck Rogers fundamentalist. You might have to<BR>
screw with the official Traveller Universe timeline to do it, but not that<BR>
much. In "Armageddon: 2419 A.D." by Phillip Nowlan the world is brought<BR>
under the heel of the "Mongols" who use anagathics and really fantastic<BR>
high-tech weapons. The "Mongols" turn out, at the end of the book, to be<BR>
interbred with extraterrestrials of one sort or another.<BR>
<BR>
The canny Traveller GM probably already has an idea concerning who those<BR>
extraterrestrials might be. Maybe "Buck", an early 20th century savage<BR>
thrust into the world of the 25th century might have confused the ways and<BR>
language of the Vilani with those of the Mongols, which he probably knew<BR>
little about anyway. After all, Buck was a World War I aviator who became a<BR>
mine surveyor in the mountains of Pennsylvania. We all know that caucasians<BR>
have great difficulty telling various races apart!<BR>
<BR>
You can move up the Buck Rogers timeline a bit: the Interstellar Wars start<BR>
on earth as Terra attempts to break the chains of their Vilani masters, this<BR>
could happen in the same timeframe given in canon, as opposed to the 25th<BR>
century of the book and comic strip. I wouldn't advise using the comic<BR>
strip, however, as it turns out that the Vilani... er... Mongol masters turn<BR>
out to be, for the most part, benevolent and the American orgs make peace<BR>
with them.<BR>
<BR>
The next major crisis that Buck faced in the comic strip was the belligerent<BR>
nature of the Tiger Men from Mars. They wanted, nay, they *needed* to<BR>
acquire land on earth. In a very divergent Traveller universe the Tiger Men<BR>
are *obviously* land-hungry Aslan working from a base on Mars. The slave<BR>
race of humans on Mars could be the conquered remnants of a Vilani colony.<BR>
When America became involved in World War II, the Tiger Men became an<BR>
allegory, albeit a highly stereotypical one, for the Japanese. As we all<BR>
know, the Aslan act like Samurai.<BR>
<BR>
You're on your own with the Atomite menace, though, as I won't go into my<BR>
theories on the possibility of pulling a few surviving miscreant ancients<BR>
from a pocket dimension through a dimensional portal. After all, this might<BR>
appear to a square-jawed chuckleheaded savage like Buck like creating<BR>
bizarre looking people from experiments with atomic power.<BR>
<BR>
"Too different," Leonard said.<BR>
<BR>
Chris "Flash was a two-bit Buck rip-off" Seamans<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:55:47 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
From: Leonard Erickson <shadow@krypton.rain.com><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Not really. For one thing, because there is no "common vector<BR>
>format". There *certainly* isn't one for web graphics. The only<BR>
>*attempt* at one is the folks who have ported RIP (formerly a format<BR>
>for BBS screens) to a web browser add-on.<BR>
<BR>
Really? Cool! Does this add-on still exist? If so, what browser does it work<BR>
with? I miss RIP, and I was just thinking a few weeks ago that I'd love to<BR>
see something similar for webpages.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:59:25 -0600 (CST)<BR>
From: "Jason Kemp" <Jason.Kemp@tdh.state.tx.us><BR>
Subject: Re: Santa in the 3rd Imperium?<BR>
<BR>
> Obviously, each world has its own Santa designate...<BR>
<BR>
<<Snip excellent coverage of alternate dates for Santa gift <BR>
recipiency on M:E20 Terra.>><BR>
<BR>
> Seems to me, all he does on Christmas Eve is the English-speaking world...<BR>
> (Though that in itself is a daunting task...) <BR>
<BR>
ObTrav: Can you imagine a childhood pasttime for Merchant children of <BR>
making lists of worlds to visit within certain date ranges to <BR>
maximize the amount of free gifts one could receive within an <BR>
Imperial year?<BR>
<BR>
"First, we start here at home for Jesus's Day of Rebirth, but then<BR>
we jump to Regina, and we'll clear the Week of Benevalence by three<BR>
days. That's three days of gifts. Yeah! Then we can catch St Santa<BR>
again on at..."<BR>
<BR>
[All holidays and religious-historical figures mentioned previously <BR>
are inspired, and are not considered canonical. Any resemblance to an <BR>
actual Spinward Marches holiday observance is unintentional, and is <BR>
not meant to infringe on the religious pursuits of any sophont, <BR>
Imperial or otherwise.]<BR>
<BR>
All this for just 0.02Cr,<BR>
Jason<BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:04:47 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
Checking my archives (nearly 7,000 posts since 20 Oct 99), I find the<BR>
following information concerning TML keyboard kills (listd as:  Date,<BR>
Victim, Killer):<BR>
<BR>
Date		Victim			Killer<BR>
<BR>
21 Oct 99	Jesse DeGraff		Chris Seamans<BR>
02 Nov 99	Bruce Johnson		Dom Mooney<BR>
04 Nov 99	Pete			Joseph R. Dietrich<BR>
07 Nov 99	Robert Prior		Kenji Schwarz<BR>
08 Nov 99	David Smart		Kiri Aradia Morgan<BR>
02 Dec 99	Jeff Zeitlin		Swordy (Colin Michael)<BR>
03 Dec 99	Mark Cook		Doug Berry<BR>
03 Dec 99	Robert Prior		Kenji Schwarz<BR>
12 Dec 99	Dom Mooney		Swordy (Colin Michael)<BR>
13 Dec 99	Chris Seamans		Kenji Schwarz<BR>
15 Dec 99	Dan Roseberry		Doug Berry<BR>
16 Dec 99	Doug Berry		John "Black ICE" Groth<BR>
16 Dec 99	Kenji Schwarz		Doug Berry<BR>
16 Dec 99	Kiri Aradia Morgan	Kenji Schwarz<BR>
17 Dec 99	Wayne Ewart		i Steve<BR>
18 Dec 99	Seth Kimmel		Doug Berry<BR>
18 Dec 99	Danny Moody		Doug Berry (1 post, 2 kills!)<BR>
18 Dec 99	Bruce Johnson		Chris Seamans<BR>
18 Dec 99	i Steve			Michel Vaillancourt<BR>
21 Dec 99	Dave Shayne		Kenji Schwarz<BR>
21 Dec 99	Glenn "cos 90"		Glenn Goffin<BR>
22 Dec 99	Evyn MacDude		Nick Bradbeer<BR>
22 Dec 99	Jory Earl		Charles Collin<BR>
23 Dec 99	David J. Golden		Bruce Johnson<BR>
23 Dec 99	Doug Berry *		John "Black ICE" Groth<BR>
23 Dec 99	David J. Golden		Bruce Macintosh<BR>
<BR>
There are several interesting facts concerning the above data:<BR>
<BR>
1.  Two TMLers, Kenji Schwarz and Doug Berry, have achieved Ace status<BR>
(five kills each, within the surveyed time frame).<BR>
<BR>
2.  Three others, Swordy, Chris Seamans, and myself, have two kills<BR>
each.<BR>
<BR>
3.  The month of December 1999 has seen _21_ keyboard kills, and we<BR>
still have nearly a week to go.<BR>
<BR>
4.  The most lethal day was 18 Dec 99, with _four_ keyboards splorted. <BR>
Two of those keyboards died from the same post (by Doug Berry).<BR>
<BR>
Let's try to be more careful, all right?<BR>
<BR>
* Doug Berry awarded me an "honorary" kill, for my "Folies Vargiere"<BR>
comment.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:03:44 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: Universities was Academies<BR>
<BR>
On Sun, 26 Dec 1999, Steve Noe wrote:<BR>
 <BR>
> Can't help with ship designs - although I tried a Lab Ship once, the<BR>
> _Sprague-Dawley_ class.  Gave it up as too wierd.<BR>
<BR>
Arrrgghhh!!! I suppose it has C57/B scouts to go along with it?<BR>
<BR>
 ;-)<BR>
<BR>
Bruce (ex-lab rat myself) Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:39:24 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: in jokes<BR>
<BR>
>Nick, you *really* don't know about Emperor Norton?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
I'd never heard of him. But then I'm an engineer, not a historian. And being<BR>
English and twenty, my store of general knowledge acquired from years in the<BR>
world is both limited and centred on the UK.<BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:20:05 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
I wonder if the UniSys guys are related to Roger Sanger?<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 6:36 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
> The major reason for avoiding GIF is that Unisys are trying to be such<BR>
> pricks about it, and are also trying tio claim rights they do not have. It<BR>
> must be the only thing Unisys make any money on these days, Linc and their<BR>
> A-series machines are fast becoming museum pieces.<BR>
><BR>
> Frankie<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:11:06 -0500<BR>
From: "Josh W. Spencer" <macmanjws@earthlink.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
Uh, excuse me, but how does one go about killing a keyboard? :) :)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Josh W. Spencer (macmanjws@earthlink.net)<BR>
Ypsilanti, Michigan, USA<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:31:22 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Kills Since 20 Oct 99<BR>
<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> 2.  Three others, Swordy, Chris Seamans, and myself, have two kills<BR>
> each.<BR>
<BR>
I note that you arbitrarily started your Keyboard Kills list on October<BR>
20th, which was a full two days after my "Important: The Kinunir Warrant"<BR>
Post. This identifies you as a Templar agent, intent on underplaying my<BR>
status as a hardcore keyboard killer!<BR>
<BR>
The 18th and 19th of October were, by far, my best days. Consider the<BR>
following, all concerning that one post:<BR>
<BR>
The 18th of October:<BR>
<BR>
From Erwin Fritz:<BR>
<BR>
"SPLORT! Now, cut that out! I think we need to start posting warnings in the<BR>
subject lines of these messages so us innocents with clean keyboards have<BR>
some time to prepare!"<BR>
<BR>
From Micheal D. Peters:<BR>
<BR>
"Well,<BR>
<BR>
"Now I finally realize how the Imperium fell on HARD TIMES!<BR>
<BR>
"P.S. Thats's at least the fourth key board that a Ditzie related post<BR>
has killed! I am going to start recording how and why they died, so that I<BR>
can bury these poor brave soilders with the proper honers!"<BR>
<BR>
From Jeff Zeitlin:<BR>
<BR>
"You owe me a keyboard.<BR>
<BR>
"Bastard."<BR>
<BR>
On the 19th, I got one near kill from Jesse DeGraff:<BR>
<BR>
"I sluff of for a day on answering e-mail, and Chris pulls this!  I 'bout<BR>
choked on my beer!  Maybe I'll take an hour off of Starports tomorrow for a<BR>
Ditzie cartoon ;)"<BR>
<BR>
Still, I had three kills on the 18th. Not only would I attain the coveted<BR>
status of ace, but I would also hold the record for the most keyboards<BR>
killed by a single post.<BR>
<BR>
Coincidence? I think not!<BR>
<BR>
<mumble, mumble><BR>
<BR>
Actually, congratulations on the compiled list. I didn't think that you were<BR>
serious!<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:40:52 EST<BR>
From: GDWGAMES@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Purina, etc.<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 99-12-27 14:11:52 EST, you write:<BR>
<BR>
<< <BR>
 - -- <BR>
 Josh W. Spencer (macmanjws@earthlink.net) >><BR>
<BR>
In Re Purina puppy chow, etc.: One of the funniest things I ever saw was a <BR>
worker in a zoo feeding a lion by slitting open a huge plastic tube of a <BR>
sausage-like stuff and tossing it into the cage. The wrapper said "Purina <BR>
Carnivore Chow" <BR>
<BR>
I don't know why it seemed to funny at the time. <BR>
<BR>
LKW<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:42:14 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Passengers From Hell<BR>
<BR>
After our recent thread on the above subject, one of the more interesting<BR>
and<BR>
sometimes evil posters to the 2300 AD list provided me with the following to<BR>
include<BR>
in a project I was working on for passengers and cargo in 2300.<BR>
<BR>
I think Ben Levy is an engineer in real life, and sometimes he scares me<BR>
with the material he submits to my website.<BR>
<BR>
Please enjoy<BR>
<BR>
TV<BR>
<BR>
The Universal Interesting Passenger and Passenger-Related Events Table<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
This table generates "quirks" for passengers.  For each 10 passengers<BR>
seeking<BR>
travel, roll a d10.  On a 2 or 3, there will be a "quirk"- roll once on<BR>
the table below.  On a 1, there will be 2 quirks.<BR>
<BR>
All rolls are to be made in secret by the GM, who may substitute his own<BR>
choice for any die roll, and his own creation for any "quirk" listed.<BR>
<BR>
Not all of these "quirks" offer any real problem to the running of the<BR>
ship, but a passenger ship's reputation affects how much it can charge,<BR>
and that reputation is built on how well the ship's staff responds to...<BR>
quirks.<BR>
<BR>
01  One passenger is carrying valuables, or secrets... another will try<BR>
to steal them.<BR>
<BR>
02-03  Passengers include one mischevious and very clever child.<BR>
Trouble ensues.<BR>
<BR>
04-05  Trouble in bunches- one passenger is a single or unaccompanied<BR>
parent or gaurdian, and has a veritable swarm (4+) of children in tow!<BR>
<BR>
06  Clearly a suspicious character, the shifty eyes, the way he or she<BR>
watches everything around, and turns up in odd places at odd hours- but<BR>
it's a red herring, this passenger is perfectly innocent.<BR>
<BR>
07  Whoever's handling the cooking outdoes himself, or herself, or has<BR>
otherwise done somethign dreadful.  The chef, or head steward, or<BR>
whoever bought those pre-packaged rations  must make a task roll- upon<BR>
success, he or she is congratulated by the passengers, improving the<BR>
ship's reputation.  Failure, of course, harms the reputation.<BR>
<BR>
08  Passengers include an eccentric artist, who makes bizarre requests<BR>
of the crew, accuses other passengers of disturbing his/her stream of<BR>
concsiousness, and insists on using an important space as a studio<BR>
during the voyage, to produce a work that "simply cannot wait"<BR>
<BR>
09-11  One passenger is very elderly or otherwise infirm, and needs<BR>
special assistance.<BR>
<BR>
12 A passenger is a celebrity, (70%) or VIP (30%) travelling incognito.<BR>
<BR>
13-14 A passenger is a celebrity, (70%) or VIP (30%) travelling openly,<BR>
fully expecting to be catered to and being the center of attention.<BR>
<BR>
15  One or more passengers has a rare disease which won't become evident<BR>
for several days.  If the passenger is thoroughly examined beforehand,<BR>
this will probably be detected<BR>
<BR>
16-17  A clumsy passenger trips, falls and is injured<BR>
<BR>
18-19 One or more passengers is loud, fussy, demanding, and very<BR>
wealthy.<BR>
<BR>
20-21  A group of passengers celebrates their first trip with a party.<BR>
Vasts amounts of legal (80%) and possibly illegal (20%) of mind altering<BR>
chemicals are consumed.<BR>
<BR>
22-23 A passenger vomits in an inconvenient place.<BR>
<BR>
24 A passenger has lost something small and very valuable, and insists<BR>
the whole ship be searched thoroughly.<BR>
<BR>
25  A would be passenger has money for neither passage nor the cargo<BR>
space he or she requests, but offers to split the profit to made on this<BR>
valuable cargo with the crew, certain that it will bring in a bundle<BR>
when sold at the end of the journey.<BR>
<BR>
26  A journalist or writer either (50%) insists on documenting, filming,<BR>
etc, all the goings on aboard, or otherwise does so secretly.  For good<BR>
or ill, the events of this voyage will greatly affect the ship's<BR>
reputation.<BR>
<BR>
27  Newlyweds are travelling on their honeymoon.  They are like two<BR>
perfect lovebirds- until they have a terrible, emotional argument over<BR>
something and insist the captain settle it for them.<BR>
<BR>
28  A passenger commits or attempts suicide (40%)or A passenger commits<BR>
or attempts murder, setting it up to look like a suicide (30%)or a<BR>
passenger dies of natural causes during the trip<BR>
<BR>
29  Something exotic but innocuous thing brought aboard by a passenger<BR>
provokes an allergic reaction in a character.<BR>
<BR>
30  A passenger is a criminal travelling under an alias, (50%) or a<BR>
inspector from a government agency or insurance company<BR>
<BR>
31-32  The passenger is rich and eccentric, and makes bizarre requests.<BR>
<BR>
33  A passenger's error results in a plumbing problem<BR>
<BR>
34-35  A passenger or group of passengers requests a special diet to<BR>
meet their religous or nutritional needs<BR>
<BR>
36  Passengers belong to a religious sect that insists on some sort of<BR>
ritual before each departure<BR>
<BR>
37  One passenger neglects personal hygiene consistently, and others<BR>
complain<BR>
<BR>
38-39  A wealthy and condescending passenger makes frequent requests for<BR>
favors, then tips crew members when the favors are done.<BR>
<BR>
40  What do they say about birds of a feather?  Roll again to determine<BR>
a quirk, but now there are 2-10 people with the same quirk.<BR>
<BR>
41  Beware the ides of March!  Passenger begins making "psychic<BR>
predictions", typically of impending doom.  50% likely to begin before<BR>
the voyage, 50% likely to begin during the voyage.<BR>
<BR>
42  The passenger is a legal activist, who will file a lawsuit after the<BR>
voyage if he or she feels the crew has "violated the rights" of any<BR>
passengers- or even low level crew members!<BR>
<BR>
43 Thrilled to bits to be on a ship and fascinated with ships in<BR>
general, this passenger follows crew members everywhere, asking lots of<BR>
questions and being annoying.<BR>
<BR>
44-45  Passenger steals a "souvenier" from the ship.<BR>
<BR>
46  An alarm goes off- its a minor thing, or a glitch, but it causes<BR>
absolute panic.<BR>
<BR>
47  This self obsessed and endlessly talkative passenger will bore<BR>
anyone unfortunate enough to be cornered into listening to his/her<BR>
stories.  But, survive the monotony long enough, and there's a few gems<BR>
of knowledge there.<BR>
<BR>
48-49  Passenger is a "regular" traveller who makes this trip<BR>
frequently- repeat business is assured if he/she is well treated.<BR>
<BR>
50 The passenger is a child, at first seemingly too young to be<BR>
travelling alone, but proves intelligent and competent enough.<BR>
<BR>
51  This passenger is extremely skittish, jittery, some would say<BR>
paranoid, always assumes<BR>
the worst, and will panic at any hint of trouble.  He/She might even<BR>
launch a lifeboat.<BR>
<BR>
52  A first time passenger freaks out, even if there is no sign of any<BR>
trouble, being affected by the confining conditions aboard ship.  Once<BR>
past that, this person is Okay.<BR>
<BR>
53  Disappointed with the bland look of his/her quarters, this passenger<BR>
decides to decorate.<BR>
<BR>
54-55  Some people just have no knack for gadgetry- this passenger just<BR>
can't seem to get anything aboard to work right- doors, fixtures, etc,<BR>
and needs frequent help.<BR>
<BR>
55-56  A medical problem- appendicitis, heart attack, impacted wisdom<BR>
tooth or something else, occurs to a passenger during the trip.<BR>
<BR>
57  The baggage of two passengers becomes intermingled and confused.<BR>
<BR>
58  A mouse or other small pest is seen aboard ship!<BR>
<BR>
59  A passenger is an old friend/associate/relative of a crew member,<BR>
and they haven't seen each other in years.<BR>
<BR>
60  A verbose, self-impressed passenger, "was something of a starship<BR>
engineer myself, once" has plenty of suggestions for how to improve<BR>
things.  Most are ridiculous, some are obvious but not within budget or<BR>
have other clear impracticalities, and one or a few are actually<BR>
valuable ideas.<BR>
<BR>
61-62  This would be passenger has no money to pay the fare, but wants<BR>
to "work passage" offering some service in trade.<BR>
<BR>
63-64  This passenger is in similar straits to #45 above, but even more<BR>
desperate, and doesn't think to offer any services; but does have a<BR>
tear-jerking story.  If work is demanded in trade, it is 50% likely that<BR>
this poor individual has no useful abilities at all.<BR>
<BR>
65  The identity claimed and the documents carried by this passenger are<BR>
fake, but no ill intent or evil schemes are planned.  This person just<BR>
has private reasons for pretending to be someone else.<BR>
<BR>
66   One of the passengers is an undercover law enforcement officer or<BR>
spy- and it's 35% likely that they have a "professional interest" in one<BR>
of the other passengers.<BR>
<BR>
67  This passenger is a professional entertainer, not a superstar but<BR>
reasonably competent and known.  Even if not asked, he or she will<BR>
become a center of attention and entertain the crew and passengers.  25%<BR>
chance of this person being just Awful, and annoying more than<BR>
entertaining.<BR>
<BR>
68  Where did that come from?  When all the passengers' baggage has been<BR>
offloaded, there is one case left over- that didn't belong to anyone!<BR>
<BR>
69  Each day, for 3-5 days straight, there is a puddle of water in the<BR>
same place- floating drops of water in a ship with no gravity- and nary<BR>
a clue as to how it got there.<BR>
<BR>
70  This passenger is travelling with a pet- nothing rare or weird, but<BR>
a beloved animal he or she treats as almost human and is never seperated<BR>
from.<BR>
<BR>
71  One of the passengers is a teenage runaway getting as far from home<BR>
as possible.  He or she will pretend to be older than actual age.<BR>
<BR>
72-73  A passenger is facing a special occassion- birthday, anniversary,<BR>
retirement, expiration of statute of limitations, whatever.  Another<BR>
passenger asks the crew to do something "special".<BR>
<BR>
74  One passenger aims to pass the entire trip in perpetual inebriation,<BR>
being, more than anything else, a source of embarrassment and an<BR>
irritant.<BR>
<BR>
75  A passenger is a scientist, and realising he or she is on the verge<BR>
of something really important, (probably only to the scientist and<BR>
peers) begs for use of the ship's computer.  If granted, the scientist<BR>
will end up using so much of the computer's capability that it begins to<BR>
interfere with other operations.<BR>
<BR>
76  Lost and confused, this passenger wanders somewhere passengers<BR>
shouldn't go, and touches something passengers shouldn't touch.<BR>
<BR>
77  For no apparent reason, the smell of either the air or water is<BR>
"off" and it annoys the passengers.<BR>
<BR>
78  This passenger has an important issue to be resolved right away- but<BR>
speaks no language anyone in the crew can translate.<BR>
<BR>
79  This passenger belongs to an organization, foundation, company, etc,<BR>
that sends a lot of people on such voyages, and he or she lets the crew<BR>
know, of course.<BR>
<BR>
80  Among the passengers is a retired, vacationing, on sabatical, or<BR>
otherwise currently unemployed ship's engineer, or other such<BR>
professional.<BR>
<BR>
81  A passenger is travelling with a rare and exotic pet<BR>
<BR>
82  This voyage makes an impression on this one- assuming the voyage<BR>
went well, the head steward (or other individual having the most<BR>
interaction with the passsengers) must make a task roll, and success<BR>
means the passenger is overjoyed with the experience, and plans future<BR>
voyages on the spot, and is even willing to pay premium prices.  If the<BR>
voyage was bad, there is the same task roll, but this time, success<BR>
means that this otherwise irate passenger was mollified, and won't sue.<BR>
If the roll is failed, any offer to refund at least 1/2 the ticket price<BR>
has a 50% chance or preventing a lawsuit.<BR>
<BR>
83  This passenger makes frequent trips to the ship's doctor, demanding<BR>
treatment for minor, even non-existent conditions.<BR>
<BR>
84 A highly narcissistic passenger is terrified that shipboard<BR>
conditions detract from his or her appearance.<BR>
<BR>
85  Inexplicably, this passenger has gotten onto the wrong ship- or, the<BR>
ship isn't going where he or she thought it was.<BR>
<BR>
86  Departure time is near, and one passenger, whose baggage is loaded<BR>
and ticket paid for, is missing.  This person has run into an<BR>
unavoidable delay, and will show up<BR>
<BR>
87  Someone wants to move an item of cargo so valuable that it is<BR>
brought aboard almost as if it was a passenger itself, and 1-3 persons<BR>
will escort it, seeing to its safety.<BR>
<BR>
88  A dedicated, commission earning professional salesman has come<BR>
aboard and sees passengers and crew as a captive audience.<BR>
<BR>
89-90  This passenger's garb is one or more of the following:<BR>
Outlandish, shocking, provocative, absurd, nonexistent, in relation to<BR>
the cultural standards of the crew and/or other passengers.<BR>
<BR>
91  Opportunity knocks. This particular passenger will be non-descript<BR>
during a voyage, but if suitably impressed with the crew's competence,<BR>
will make a very lucrative offer upon the journey's end.<BR>
<BR>
92  An otherwise innocent passenger has been used as a "mule" by<BR>
criminals- or perhaps secret agents- unknowingly smuggling something.<BR>
<BR>
93  A diplomat is among the passengers.  He or she proceeds to get<BR>
thoroughly and blissfully intoxicated on board, then says something that<BR>
really, really, shouldn't have been said.<BR>
<BR>
94  A nefarious individual wants passage- and cargo space for something<BR>
illegal.  He/She is willing to pay extra to move the contraband.<BR>
<BR>
95-96  A passenger has a VERY major beef with another passenger- there<BR>
is a 25% chance of this getting violent if left to escalate.<BR>
<BR>
97  While preparation is being made for departure, an extreme VIP wants<BR>
to charter the ship for a different destination- and will use either<BR>
carrots or sticks to get his or her way.<BR>
<BR>
98  A potential passenger wants to charter ALL of a ship's passenger<BR>
capability- but wants a discounted rate.<BR>
<BR>
99  The obviously pregnant female passenger was CERTAIN the delivery<BR>
date would be safely past the end of the voyage...but there's a 50%<BR>
chance she was mistaken.<BR>
<BR>
100  They let this one out of the asylum- roll THREE other "quirks"- and<BR>
they all apply to this ONE passenger<BR>
<BR>
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